day. Ultimately, it ended up that we just read the Bible, and talked about it, and read it, and talked about it. And if you do that with Pentateuch OT historical books, and the Prophets, year after year, at least once for 30 years, you get to know them. And that’s what happened to me. So all that reading that we did—and especially reading together out loud in class. There’s really something powerful about that. Because when you do that, you pay more closer ttention to the text, and you know the students are going to ask you about what you just read. You learn so much. And because I had to teach all of these diverse courses… each class was like prep for the other classes. It was crazy, but it worked. And the other thing is that the power of reading the Bible out loud is more significant than the great wisdom we have as instructors. We tend to forget that. That’s what really made my first 30 years work. Lately, I’ve had a lot more time to do class prep. What role has your family, or Judy specifically, played in your career as far as sustaining you? Well Judy made us all look good. And she took really good care of us. She really dedicated herself to raising our four boys. That’s been by far the biggest factor in supporting me. What does semi-retirement look like for you? What do you hope to do in your future? I’m trying to come in for a long, slow landing. I teach two classes every semester now. If I can teach [my four one-and-a-half-year-old grandchildren] as freshman—I’ll be pushing 90, but I’d love to do it. Then I could die happily like Job, you know what I mean? It’s really nice not to be horribly busy, which I’ve been all of my career. I feel guilty if I sleep in to 8:00 and don’t get to work until 9:30, because all these years I’ve just been flying and working so hard. It’s really a nice time of life where financially it’s easier for us; we have fewer expenses, and we have more time to travel to visit our kids and grandkids. And I spend more time doing pottery in my free time, which I really enjoy. Is there anything else you would like to add? I still coach football in the high school and I really love it. I hope I can keep doing that for a bit yet. It’s great to have relationships with high school kids still. Every once in a while, I drop by the art room—kids are working away at the wheels and it’s fun to help them. So I’ve had a really good life. If you go back to Psalm 37, I really have had a better life than I could’ve planned.